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Rigid Sqs

Postby wade.edwards » Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:59 pm

Have a friend with a 1946 rigid framed SQ4. He knows the rigid frame option is rare for SQs but how rare? Only 300 SQs shipped in 1946. I wonder if the factory data listed what frame was shipped.
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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby paul.jameson » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:01 pm

This is a tricky one Wade. The despatch books usually state clearly whether the frame is rigid or spring but there is no mention of either for much of the 1946 year. There are two series of frame numbers though, one starting at about 1000 and the other starting at about 1800. Not until November 1946 (ie after the start of the 1947 model year) do we see a reference to a spring frame and when the first few appear, they are around the 890 series, so lower than the numbers used at the start of postwar Square Four production. At the same time, (Nov/Dec 1946) we get confirmation by reference that the series of frame numbers which began at about 1000 are in fact for rigid frames.
My conclusion is that I don't believe Ariel produced any spring frame Square Fours after the war until November 1946, all postwar Sq 4 production before then being in rigid frames.
As ever, I am happy to be proved wrong if some of you want to send me the appropriate engine and frame numbers!
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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby chris.shearwood » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:04 pm

Hi Wade,
I don't know how rare they are but my 46 Sq4 has a rigid frame.
Regards, Chris
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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby wade.edwards » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:44 pm

Excellent report, Paul! I am busy getting the frame and engine numbers.
Paul, would you mind looking at my last post with a question in Parts under CP mid cover?

Chris, would you mind posting a forum picture of your 46? Does it have girder forks? My friend’s is telescopic. That should indicate that it is a Fall plus machine but still has the rigid frame. I imagine rigid frames were an option for several years to come.

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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby wade.edwards » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:51 pm

Paul,
The engine number is DK806. Frame is XP1625. Interestingly it has a May 47 gearbox-G32E47.

What is the origin of the HUR 70 license plate numbers? Have no idea of country of origin.

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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby Mick D » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:53 am

Hi

That registration plate looks British, 'UR' was the area code for Luton, Hertfordshire up to 1974.

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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby john.davies » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:59 am

Hi Wade,
My 46 SQ4 is rigid with girder forks, frame number XP101?, engine number DK11?. I have blanked out the last digit just in case. It was dispatched from the factory in December 45. Your registration plate, HUR70, is British and is still on record here as live. It does not have its Export Marker set so they think it is still in the UK.
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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby wade.edwards » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 pm

Well, that is very interesting, Mick and John. What do you think should be done with the plate? Is it of use to someone for registration?
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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby Mick D » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:50 pm

Hi Wade

I'm very keen to preserve the full history of the bikes I restore, so if it were me I'd keep the plate and if you don't already have one, get a copy of the V5c for this registration and declare it SORN, (Statutory Off Road Notification), this should keep the UK registration protected for the future in UK.

The UK licencing authority still seem to regard the bike as registered under that number so it is currently not available to anyone else.

If you let it go you will never get it back :( :(

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Re: Rigid Sqs

Postby chris.shearwood » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:31 pm

wade.edwards wrote:Chris, would you mind posting a forum picture of your 46?


Here you go Wade:
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