A real Rariel

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A real Rariel

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby JohnnyBeckett » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:26 pm

i thought all Ariel after late 1953 had swinging arms this is what i was told wen i got my 18 /12/1953 350 they done it to make it better for trials riding i must be wrong :? :?:

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby will_curry » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:56 pm

If my memory serves Ray Pettit had one of these many years ago. I used to meet him at the
VMCCs Taverner's Section trials. It was a lovely light-looking 'bike, nothing like this
offering. Incidentally the registration comes back as November 1982 with a declared date of 1953.

This particular 'bike looks low and heavy with what is probably an Indian tank and modern
alloy rims. Pass the rose-tinted specs.

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby alan.moore » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:09 pm

Does anyone know the bike or the seller? I must say the price appears tempting if it is genuine.

HT sales catalogues show a rigid frame for 1954 and swing arm for '55.

As Will says' ...Interestingly DVLA online check on reg number show it as manufactured in 1953 not '55 as stated in the ad.

I am sure the HT experts will be able to put us right :)

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1955 HT5


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Re: A real Rariel

Postby Paul Slootheer » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Does anyone know the bike or the seller? I must say the price appears tempting if it is genuine.

Front end on the advertised bike looks like a ''normal'' rigid/plunger. The tubing on the sales brochure looks quite different.
I'am not realy convinced Alan... but I'am not a expert!
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Re: A real Rariel

Postby JohnnyBeckett » Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:45 pm

all my Ariel after the motorcycle show in 1954 have got swinging arms i did not know they hat rigid frames too

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby alan.moore » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:35 pm

There is a load of VCH info in the knowledge-base...but I am still confused as to what the bike for sale actually is. Backend looks quite low ?
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Re: A real Rariel

Postby alan.moore » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:47 pm

Found this in an earlier post viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3711 (there is loads of previous Ht/VCH stuff on the forum)

The frame in this drawing is dated 1954 and looks very much like the one on the Ebay bike. The front lower frame lugs are totally different to those in the artists impression drawing in the '54 catalogue

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby will_curry » Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:50 pm

Just looked a little closer - the headstock appears fabricated which is the mark of
an all-welded frame, one of the things differentiating the rigid HT from the VCH.

Also interesting are the BSA yokes. These are narrower than the Ariel yokes to the
point where the standard half width Ariel hub is not an easy fit at all.

Time to dig out the period photos and the magnifying glass.

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Re: A real Rariel

Postby david.anderson » Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:39 pm

The frame certainly looks original rigid HT and the frame is in accordance with the original drawing. I have a copy of that drawing which was provided to me by the late Ralph Hawkins. The original drawing is clear with part no E9/417 (416) (the same fitting used on rigid and plunger frames) being brazed into the lower frame rails. The sales brochure certainly shows a difference in that area. Surely however the original drawing is more correct than the sales brochure. The original drawing is dated 1954, was there an earlier version of the HT rigid frame.
The cylinder is however 1956+, note the overhanging cylinder base.
BSA yokes were fitted to all HTs
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