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HT sidecar combo

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:13 am
by Roger_Redford
Hi All,

New to the world of Ariels, as more of an Italian bike man, but have had this HT come my way through the family. I throw myself on the mercy of the sages here to give me a bit of info before I delve into the books to educate myself. So please impart your knowledge upon me...!

Treat me like a moron... I know the year and the cc... oh, and that is has a Watsonian sidecar (bearing a battle scar), other than that, consider nothing "bleedin' obvious"... I know how you old bike fellas love to share your wisdom!

Looking forward to your replies


Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:37 pm
by PeterW
Well you've got yourself a very desirable bike. Presuming its running ok the only problem I can see is that the front saddle mountings look to be missing.
Are you going to get it muddy?

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:01 pm
by Roger_Redford
Hi Peter, and thanks for your reply.

I was going to ask about the saddle, as there seems to be something of a gap, between the mounting points on the front of the saddle and the two lugs that stick out horizontally from the frame behind the tank. Is there a specific bracket to fit this gap, or is this the wrong saddle, as it does seem a large/awkward shaped space?

Also, the plug is missing, and I was thinking a B6ES? Would that be suitable?

As for muddiness, we will see. It has seen some action I believe, hence the scar, and isn't a minter by any stretch. Is is road-registered so I will probably get it up and running and out for some green-laning with a game passenger..... pre-65 trials may be a step too far, as I am a post-65 baby myself, but who knows...


Re: HT sidecar combo

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:41 pm
by adrie.degraaff
Sorry it's not an HT (wrong frame).

It could be the HS scrambles Ariel if the footrestsupport is missing on the sidecar side, otherwise the frame and engine nr. will thell.
As far I can see it's a standard road frame with HT engine both 1956-59.

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:49 pm
by Roger_Redford
Hi Adrie,

Thanks for the info. What would the engine/frame number range be for the HS or HT, or is there a specific prefix or suffix to show?

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:52 pm
by Roger_Redford
The horizontal lugs between tank and saddle would be for mounting the road seat then I take it, and they wouldn't be found on a trials frame?

Re: HT sidecar combo

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:54 pm
by adrie.degraaff
It had a buddyseat, never a saddle.

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:09 pm
by Roger_Redford
I see what you mean about the frame. have just had a look at some images of the HT one, and it slopes much more doesn't it, and ends at the top of the mounting for the rear shocks. I would imagine it's a lot lighter too.

Re: HT sidecar combo

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:30 pm
by adrie.degraaff
30 kilo's? lighter with a Bartram HT frame.

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:33 pm
by Roger_Redford
So this one I have won't be for competition use then! Maybe some gentle green laning and riding to work in the snow ;o)