Cammy 4F 600cc Pistons

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Cammy 4F 600cc Pistons

Postby paul.wirdnam » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:59 pm

Besides Draganfly, anyone know where I can get a set from? Does the club do them :?:
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Postby robjameson » Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:45 pm

http://www.classic-motorcycles.co.uk/cg ... b_pid=4361

No idea if they are right or not, just a quick google search.
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Postby Bob.Murphy » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:47 am

These appear to be what you're looking for . . . :

http://vintagemotorcyclepistons.co.uk/shop/catalog/search?shop_param=

(Looking forward to more pictures of the re-build ;) ).

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Postby paul.wirdnam » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:09 am

Thanks for the replies. Looks like the price of pistons has gone up since I last bought one...and I need four :cry:
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Postby brenton.roy » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:46 am

A cammy must be a really expensive restoration. Everything is rare, fragile or both.
What oversize are you looking for Paul?
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Postby paul.wirdnam » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:31 pm

brenton.roy wrote:A cammy must be a really expensive restoration. Everything is rare, fragile or both.
What oversize are you looking for Paul?


Brenton, I think I'm going to go for standard...but I'd appreciate your views (and anyone elses):

Having dismantled my engine to address the wrecked big end bearings, I've discovered that the gudgeon pin circlip grooves are in a really poor state on a couple of the pistons --- I wouldn't be happy re-using these pistons in their current state. I have thought about using brass or aluminium "buttons" in the gudgeon pins as many 1920s bikes had; at least that would allow me to re-use the pistons, but I feel this is a last resort.

When I restored the top half of the engine in 1997, the barrel was re-sleeved back to standard. Having measured the barrel today, there seems to be very little wear. At the base of the bore, on the unused part, the size on all four bores is 56.02mm --- std is 56mm. Using the "piston ring gap and Pi" method to calculate wear between top and bottom of the bore, the greatest wear is on #2 and #3 rear cylinders (as expected) but it only amounts to 1.9 thou of an inch; front bores are 0.6 thou of an inch.

So I do not think I need to re-bore to +20 and I would prefer not to have to get a re-bore done on my re-lined barrel. So if I go for std pistons, will they just drop in, or will they be too tight or, worse still, too loose? Too tight I can deal but too loose and I may have wasted my money.

One thing I haven't managed to fathom out is why most of the period literature and piston sellers quote the standard bore as 56.00mm while Draganfly quote 55.80mm as the size....any ideas?
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Re: Cammy 4F 600cc Pistons

Postby david.anderson » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:01 pm

Paul
Your pistons are probably fitted with wire circlips in a shallow groove. Have you thought about getting the circlip grooves machined a little deeper and then using a suitable size seeger flat blade type circlip.
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Postby paul.wirdnam » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:09 pm

david.anderson wrote:Paul
Your pistons are probably fitted with wire circlips in a shallow groove. Have you thought about getting the circlip grooves machined a little deeper and then using a suitable size seeger flat blade type circlip.
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David, I wish that was true. They are seeger flat blade type...if I was to machine the groove back to a square section and fit a larger circlip, then I would also need to open up the outside part of the gudgeon pin hole to allow me to get the larger clip in.....and then the curvature of the piston begins to affect the groove etc.
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Postby ian.scott » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:36 am

I often used aluminium buttons in my racing engines due to doubts about the circlips , they were easy to make and effective.

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Postby paul.wirdnam » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:52 am

ian.scott wrote:I often used aluminium buttons in my racing engines due to doubts about the circlips , they were easy to make and effective.

Ian


Thanks Ian....that is good to hear. Sent you a PM.
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