NH350 1947 ????

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NH350 1947 ????

Postby petecranwell » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:28 am

Hi All.
As per my earlier post, I'm looking to purchase a pre-war sporting single and an Ariel is at the top of my wish list.
I've just seen the claimed 1947 NH350 advertised by Motorcycles Unlimited with a 'KS' frame number prefix. I can only attribute this to a later swinging arm bike. It seems to have a 1947/48 engine fitted but what are the origins of the bike. To me, it appears to be older but could be a total bitsa!
I would like to tap into the font of knowledge within the forum and ask these knowledgable folk for their opionions and thoughts, of this bike, before I proceed further.
Many Thanks in anticipation.
Pete

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby adrie.degraaff » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:48 am

As you found out your self KS is a restamp number making it very low value.

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby petecranwell » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:16 am

Hi Again.
I've also noticed that according to the DVLA site, it is shown as manufactured in 1954 which would tie in with the frame number! Could it be stolen or a ringer? Has the frame number been ground off and re-stamped? If so, would there be any way of sourcing its original ID? Does anyone have any knowledge of this bike?
I will await news.
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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby will_curry » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:40 pm

It's a pretty collection of bits. Probably not a bad ride but certainly not anything
original. Given the age-related number and odd frame number it's been rung
by the cherished-number boys.

To me those alloy rims look horrible and I'm also curious about the front engine
plates which look wrong to me - single engine in a twin frame?

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby JohnnyBeckett » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:11 pm

HI I think you would be best to forget about it you would be getting a lot problems as far as i know a 350 nh with that number would have a swinging arm it got to be ringer :!: :?:

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby adrie.degraaff » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:28 pm

You're right it is a 1949-1953 twin frame so the value is even less than half that prise.

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby Simon.Gardiner » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:20 pm

Frame KS 1198
Engine AP943
G'box G6 H46
Engine, gearbox and maybe forks are OK for the year but all in that Ariel twin frame.
IMHO, unless the overstamping has been really badly done there's no way you'll establish the original identity of the frame and it's clearly wrong for the engine/gearbox. It would be possible to say where the engine and gearbox came from - presuming they belong together - but with an unidentifiable frame there's not much pedigree.
The 'new' frame number for a 1954 swing-arm can be tracked to what it was on when it left the factory but it clearly doesn't belong with anything on the bike - not even the current registration number, which is from an age-related stack (again as Will noted).
Clearly whichever local vehicle registration officer inspected the bike in 1984 didn't know anything about Ariels!

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby Mick D » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:42 pm

Hi

This is interesting:

Simon.Gardiner wrote:unless the overstamping has been really badly done there's no way you'll establish the original identity of the frame


Couldn't this be an original frame number used in a bitsa? Why would one assume it had been altered?

Simon.Gardiner wrote:Clearly whichever local vehicle registration officer inspected the bike in 1984 didn't know anything about Ariels!


If the age related plate is for a 'correct' 54 bike why would the inspector record it as a 47? Would it be classed as a 47 NH on the V5C with a 54 plate?

Regards Mick

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby will_curry » Sun Dec 22, 2019 6:53 pm

The DVLA record doesn't mention 1947 anywhere.

It does however give the year of manufacture as 1954 and the year of registration as 1984.

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Re: NH350 1947 ????

Postby JohnnyBeckett » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:22 pm

HI i know the police can x ray the number and if the old number hasn't been hit with a ball peen hammer first before the old numbers are groundoff the old will showup under the new numbers i had this with a norton years ago


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